Immigration Updates.
Filed under: Getting to New Zealand, Immigration Advisers, NZIS & Immigration issues
There’s actually been quite a lot happening on the immigration front here – I’e just been too lazy (and too depressed by it all) to blog about it. So Instead of writing an stream of rather sad and depressing posts – I decided to do it in one short sharp shock, and write an update instead.
1/ Immigration New Zealand being idiotic over relationship statuses.
It’s an annoyance that never seems to go away – but another couple are being harassed my INZ over the fact that INZ don’t believe their relationship is real. They have a baby together, and they are in fact married – but that is not enough for the bean counters and paper shufflers at INZ.
Despite him being married and with a child on the way, Immigration NZ visa services manager Jan Clark said proof of a shared home, finances, belongings and household chores were required to prove they were a genuine couple.
Marriage certificate and – dare I say it – an advanced pregnancy – isn’t enough???? A few years ago, I came across a poster on a forum who had to go through this farce despite being married for 40 years. Before joint bank accounts were common. At the end of the day lack of knowledge on the part of immigration staff does not constitute a lack of relationship on an immigrants part. So this isn’t a one-off situation.
Joint Bank Accounts and bills. It’s a necessity if you don’t want to have to deal with this kind of crap.
2/ More Kiwi’s employ slave immigrant labour.
This it has to be said, affects mostly ethnic minority or pacific islander immigrants, who seem to be less confident and knowledgeable about their rights and the law. That is not to say that western immigrants don’t get similar treatment, but it tends to be of a lesser scale (paid considerably less, conned into taking 2 year work visa positions and forced to do a job that differs markedly from that applied for or you lose your visa- that sort of thing).
In this case – a Wellington “businesswoman” – whose identity is protected by name suppression laws, employed 2 Fijians, did not pay them the minimum wage, and did not pay them holiday pay. She also employed them illegally while they were here on visitors visas.
3/ Immigration Adviser holds on to a passport for over a year.
This is a bit of an odd one, as I can’t find the adviser listed at the IAA, even under past licence holders. So hopefully this guy, Piliki Talanoa, will be prosecuted under the Immigration Advisers Licencing Act. His client, a hairdresser by trade, gave him the passport last September in order to get a work visa renewal. The agent apparetly closed his office down last month, at which point the police managed to get the passport back.
Mr Talanoa says Mr Cohen changed his mind about which category visa he wanted to apply for and that caused the delay, a claim Mr Cohen strongly denies.
A hairdresser by trade, Mr Cohen says he’s pleased to have his passport back and hopes to have a new work permit approved by Immigration New Zealand. But the delays have cost him the chance to apply for residency, he says.
“I have to apply for a work permit from the beginning.”
His advice to other people seeking work permits is to deal directly with Immigration New Zealand.
Mr Talanoa wouldn’t discuss why he abandoned his former office in Otahuhu so suddenly.
But property manager Johan Ackerman says Mr Talanoa had already left the property when the owners showed up to evict him.
Hmmm, there’s a story there – including why he doesn’t appear to have ever held an Immigration Advisers licence. Of course the IAA has no authority to read this article and act on its contents unless someone makes a complaint. The police haven’t charged Mr Talanoa with anything. Question is: why not?
4/ A good news story – 102 year old bypasses the system.
I say good news – as it undoubtedly is for the lady who has been given a 3 year visitor visa instead of the normal 6 months, and for her daughter. It’s not so good though for the hundreds if not thousands of people who refused help or consideration from the Immigration Ministry. So on the one hand I am chuffed to bits about this one, on the other hand it annoys me considerably.
The details are that Louise Sydes UK rest home was being closed, and rather than be relocated, she wanted to move to be with her daughter in Auckland. They contacted the Immigration Minsiter’s office and appear to have just asked them to let her stay. Ive read 2 articles about this – neither of them mention anything about going via Immigration New Zealand, or applying for residency via the family stream, or indeed having to pass the stringent medical tests.
Speaking from New Zealand her daughter Sue Pearson said she was ‘excited’.
She said: ‘Usually family members are only allowed to come for six months but we wrote to the minister of immigration who granted us permission for her to come and live with us.
Given the desperate needs of some people I have come across to get a visa to live in New Zealand, and the crap they have to go through to get it – IF they get it (often they don’t)- I cant help but be a little angry about this. It does kinda make a mockery out of the pain of other families who are refused the right to live together.
5/ Another Indian family facing deportation.
Pooja Kapila, whose husband Satinder is in Waikeria Prison awaiting deportation, was so desperate to avoid what she says is the death sentence of being returned to the slums of the Punjab that she refused to sign the documents presented to her at their Te Puke home on October 21.
They have been living here in New Zealand for 10 years. They have three children, one of them is a New Zealand citizen by birth, having been born here just one year after they arrived. This was before the loophole allowing this to happen was closed. Now I’m probably going to come over as heartless and cold on this – but I really think in case like this we cannot keep holding INZ to blame. Often from reading these kinds of articles, I find I end up making a judgement (based on very little information) about whether I feel the families should be allowed to stay or not. I really cant work out why in other cases I feel compassion, but in this one I don’t. Perhaps it’s because the third child was born so soon after arriving, perhaps it’s because after 10 years of living in New Zealand Mrs Kapila needs an interpreter. Perhaps it’s because once again “celebrity” Immigration Adviser Tuariki Delamere is involved.
As is often the case with these articles – they are full of emotion, and short on facts. As is also often the case, the comments with the article are somewhat enlightening.
Glad my family is through this nightmare already.
Wealthy parents jump the queue
Ally Wang wants to work fulltime but says she can’t do so until her parents Zhi and Ying Xu are given residency and can help look after her son Kevin and daughter Cathy. New immigration schemes aimed at wealthy retirees have attracted 27 applicants who are prepared to invest a total of nearly $26 million. The parent retirement policy, launched last year, has drawn 22 applications from nine countries, with the highest numbers coming from China and the United Kingdom. Each applicant has to have a settled child here and invest at least $1 million over four years to gain permanent residency. They need to have good health but will not need to have health insurance, and as permanent residents they will be entitled to the normal health and welfare assistance. However, the scheme has been criticised as being unfair, as applicants jump the queue of the regular parent immigration schemes.
I beleive I said that a while back.
MP Raymond Huo, Labour’s Chinese community affairs spokesman, said the scheme gave New Zealand a bad look overseas. “It is one thing for a country to be selling off its assets, but this policy shows the world that even our immigration visas can be bought,” he said. Mr Huo said letting rich parents jump the queue over legitimate applicants who are less wealthy would just create resentment within migrant communities.
I could not agree more. While I understand the need to bring foreign money into the country up to a point – the miniute you make immigration more about money than skills and settlement facorts you change the entire ethos of the system. Its not about how good you are for the country – its about how much money you will pay to get in.
Immigrant single-mother Ally Wang says she desperately needs her parents here to help her look after her children so she can find fulltime employment. The 36-year-old, who works part-time in a GP clinic as an administrator, feels it’s “extremely unfair” for the Government to overlook her needs “just because mum and dad do not have $1 million to spare”.
Ms Wang, who has a 12-year-old son and an 8-year-old daughter, has been waiting since 2009 for Immigration to give the nod for her father, Zhi Wang, 67 and mother Ying Xu, 61, from Guangzhou, to come and live with her. Instead, what she received last week was a request from the department to “update her income details” because it said her current income wasn’t enough to support her parents.
“The the only way I can earn more money is to find fulltime employment, and I can only work fulltime if my parents are here to help me take care for my children,” Ms Wang said.
Now – this is a bit odd to be honest. You have to have the required income BEFORE you can sponsor your parents. Not “if you let my parents in I will be able to work more and thus afford to sponsor them because they will provide childcare”.
When you sponsor family – you have to prove an income of just under $30,000 a year – which is not a whole lot. But that’s the deal we all have to work with. Unless your parents have a stack of cash they can bribe NZ with of course.
The main issue here is that 22 parents did not have to wait till thier children proved thier worth to New Zealand, and are willing to pay $1,000,000 each to jump the queue ahead of the rest of the people who are sat there waiting for INZ to do its job. I personally think this is shameful. NZ has said quite clearly it can be bought, and that the wealth of our parents is vastly more important than the skills we bring. I guess that why our MP John Hayes asked if my dad was “a man of means”. Thats all he cared about when we needed his help. He must be so proud of this new system.
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Scary lack of info about Immigration
An article out today says that the Chinese are topping the number of applications for immigration to New Zealand under the family scheme -
For the third consecutive year, China has topped Immigration NZ’s parent and sibling/adult child stream, with 1632, and a further 1264 others qualifying through the parent policy.
Now, I didnt really pay much attention to it, until I came across a thread about it on Property Talk entitled NZ is a such a soft touch, starting with the comment that
Man, when I read stuff like this, my blood boils. And we wonder why we’re going broke as a country!
What followed was depressing to read. Almost everything was based on factually wrong information – what people think happens vs what actually happens. Undoubtedly the chinese do have an advantage in wanting to sponsor parents to NZ – which is basically the point of the article. China’s one child policy makes it easier for migrants to pass the centre of gravity rules. (Though clealry equally unable to bring adult siblings in for the same reason).
But the misconceptions generally revolve around these elderly parents and grandparents (you can’t actually sponsor grandparents – but ho hum who cares – lets pretend you can) taking resources, benefits, healthcare of Kiwis, and us immigrants getting here, getting those elderly useless parents in, then the old “will bugger off to Aussie leaving us to look after the oldies” rubbish. Also complaints about these elderly parents being unable to work. Of course if they did then the complaint would be that they are stealing jobs from Kiwis. Jeeze – parents! Shoot the lot of them I say!
I know it’s natural to despise immigration. A lot of the waffle here was the same as you would hear in almost any country I’m sure. And the only reason I know any better is because I AM an immigrant. Ive seen what the process is, just how soul destroyingly hard it can be, and I know that most of what these people think is just not the case. What bugged me about this is that being on Property Talk – these posters are often the brunt of similar media beat-ups because they are property investors – so should know to think first rather than buy the spiel.
The worst thing today was finding myself dismissed as being someone who should not be here, because I have brought my parents and unskilled brother with me. And I don’t have children – who at least would presumably grow up to be a good kiwi, and presumably have the correct skills and not do what so many other kiwis do and leave at the first opportunity. To find that some people consider my worth as an immigrant in those terms was awful.
I did my best to correct many of these warped ideas, but still – it was not pleasant, and was a bit of an eye-opener. Don’t get me wrong – there is plenty that could be improved with Immigration Policy – but saying that people can only immigrate if they are prepared to leave family behind for ever is just cruel. This is after all a country that bangs on incessantly about “Whanau” – ie Family.
Personally I am proud and blessed to have a family I could not leave behind, and who wanted to leave thier lives and friends behind to join us.
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It’s not just us plebs that have trouble getting into NZ.
Today the papers are talking about the fact that the amazing Richard O’Brien cant emigrate to New Zealand, despite that fact that he actually grew up here from the age of ten, and his family is still here.
Seems he didn’t get Citizenship before he left in his 20′s to go to London, and create the best dance in the history of the world (possible excepting the Hokey Cokey if you really want to argue about it).
So now – he appears to have no automatic right to apply for residency as he doesn’t fit any criteria according to his immigration advisor. (Licensed, though it doesn’t say that on their website).
Now obviously – being a Newspaper report, there are a huge number of questions that aren’t answered. I’m assuming that at the time his family emigrated there were no such thing as IRRV’s which allow you to come back to New Zealand permanently even if you have been away for many years.
As it is it seems he was trying to apply under the family residence (adult sibling) category – the same as my brother, becuase he has two siblings here. Only hes too old and yes – you guessed it – he cant apply until he gets a job offer. I somehow thing that wouldn’t be an issue. The Retirement visas don’t seem suitable – one is for sponsoring your parents and the one that doesn’t is only temporary. His son is also in New Zealand as a Student, and apparently applying for residence himself.
It also turns out that Richard O’Brien is so well thought of as a Kiwi, that theres a statue of him in Hamilton, where he used to live. It even has a Webcam! Actually I find that quite fitting.
So now hes writing to Mr Coleman the minister and asking for help. I damn well hope he gets it. New Zealand is ever so eager to lame claim to all sorts of famous people – right up till the might ask for something back. I remember at the premier for King Kong, Andy Serkis was complaining that he couldn’t get residence here either – despite being part of a set of films that NZ just wont stop banging on about because they were made here. And yet Michael Barrymore got in despite having a rather disturbing criminal record that would have ensured any normal person wasn’t allowed in.
So here’s wishing Mr O’Brien the best of luck in his plans to retire to New Zealand as a Permanent resident. He has family here, history here, and he’s claimed as a Kiwi. Cant see the issue myself!
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A ritual cleansing of Immigration Paperwork.
The amount of paperwork generated by having to fight INZ was truly scary, and was taking up space in my filing cabinet that was better used for other things. Like Toilet Paper.
So, to say goodbye to the past 18 months, we have just had a ritual burning of all the crap. We have kept any original letters, but everything is scanned onto the computers anyway.
Blimey – it felt good!
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The New Temporary Retirement Category.
This is for people who do not have children who are resident in New Zealand and allows them to live or travel here for up to two years at a time, rather than the current maximum of 6 months.
As long as they pay.
So what’s the deal?
- You get a 2-year visitors visa that allows you to come and go from New Zealand as you like during that two years.
- You need to be 66 years old or over
- You need to bribe invest $750,000 in New Zealand for the two years.
- Suitable investments are the same as for the Parent Retirement category.
- You need to be able to show $500,000 in maintenance funds for the two years, plus $60,000 a year in income.
- Have comprehensive travel / health insurance during the two years (you wont be eligible for public health care as this is not a residency visa)
- You need to meet the standard health and character requirements (so yes – you still have to go through the medical process – there’s just no getting round it is there?)
- The Application fee is $2.600
- If you want to stay longer you can re-apply (for another $2,600) for another visa.
- You only get 3 months to invest your money here, rather than 12 months under the Parent Retirement Visa
- You can get a 3 month visa to enter NZ to investigate “investment opportunities” before you plough your life savings into a “suitable investment”.
- You apply through the Business Migration Branch in Wellington.
The good news is that this policy doesn’t screw over the parents of residents who have worked their butts off in New Zealand for three years to earn the right to bring their families with them.
There’s no cap on the number of visas available, because this is not a permanent visa.
Still, I’m somewhat concerned that immigration policy is basically sinking to the level of “Gives us loads of money and you can come in”. I guess it has the advantage of being honest for a change.
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The New Parent Retirement Category
On the 29th March 2010, a new immigration category is being released, which could make things easier for immigrants to bring their parents out to new Zealand.
If they have money of course.
My personal take on this is that I find these kinds of systems to be not much more ethical that legalised bribery. “Give us your money and we will let you in” does not sound much better than handing a brown envelope stuffed full of used notes to your case officer.
So, what’s the deal?
Firstly – there are actually two new retirement visas, which brings New Zealand more in line with Australia, who have long had a 2 year retirement visa option which was lacking here. There is a temporary retirement visa, allowing people to stay here for up to 2 years. The other is a permanent visa, and this is the one for parents of immigrants who are either residents or citizens.
Parent Retirement Category
The point of this is to bring in families of residents who have lots of money (NZD $1,000,000) and are willing to bribe invest it in New Zealand for four years. Actually I’m sure the point is to get a lot of money for New Zealand – the fact that it brings in peoples families is a side issue.
To qualify you need:
- an adult child who lives in New Zealand and who is either a New Zealand citizen or resident
- Meet Centre of Gravity requirements
- Be willing to invest $1,000,000 in New Zealand for 4 years: in one or more of the following:
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- Government Bonds, Company bonds traded on the NZDX, or bonds from NZ firms with at least a BBB rating
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- Shares in New Zealand companies including in Managed funds.
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- Must be capable of making a return, and can contribute to the NZ economy,
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- Must be invested in NZ$
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- Must be legal, not for personal use, invested in property or stuck in the bank or a finance company.
- Must have $500,000 in settlement funds and earn $60,000 a year
- Meet the standard health end character requirements. (No matter how rich you are – they are still going to make your life hell with medical assessments!)
Now- the really really bad news.
They are combining the number of spaces available for the old parent category and this new parent retirement category – and there only 3440 – 3740 places available. There are currently 7305 parents in the queue waiting for parent sponsorship places as it stands, so it still looks like a 2 year backlog. Of course, now the ones with money go straight to the front of the queue, because they effectively come out of this queue and put in another application, and New Zealand has made it crystal clear they will prioritise people who can afford the bribe investment over the rest of us plebs without rich parents.
It costs $2,600 to apply. But then if you can afford to tie up $1,000,000 with the government for 4 years, that’s hardly an issue is it?
You will have 12 months once approved in principle to pay the bribe investment, and you will be given a 12 month visa to enter New Zealand to look at investment opportunities. (Like the internet? None of the approved investments on the list requite more than Internet access and the willingness to tie up a lot of money for four years)
The policy is run through the business migration branch in Wellington. This is fabulous news as it gets people out of the abusive hands of the London Family Residence team. I knew there had to be a silver lining somewhere.
Bloody hell I am so relieved my family are in and through this mess. I pity anyone who has not yet been able to apply under the normal parent category, because unless your parents have the money, it looks like NZ may dump them on the scrap heap.
Make sure you are really clear on this: this does not provide any EXTRA parent spaces.
It merely allows those parents with money to come in straight away, without waiting for their children to prove their worth to New Zealand for 3 years. People currently in the parent queue could potentially find themselves being expected to wait a lot longer for a place to become available as the places currently available go to the people with more money. So if someone comes in as a skilled migrant on the 1st April 2010, their parents can apply for the parent retirement visa on April 2nd 2010. Without the child having proved any benefit to new Zealand or ability to settle here whatsoever.
Once again, immigrants who have bent over backwards to be a benefit to New Zealand and have earned the right through that benefit are about to get shat on.
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The Last Winterbottom becomes a RESIDENT
Details of how the hell this happened to follow – because you probably won’t believe it.
As soon as I get my head round it myself, and get some sleep.
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Fascinating numbers
Filed under: Getting to New Zealand, Hubby's Views, NZIS & Immigration issues
Well, okay, perhaps not for a lot of people. However, I’m one of those sick puppies (meow) who finds spreadsheets and numbers quite fascinating when they tell you something interesting.
So much to my surprise, we found at the weekend that Immigration now have a statistics page on their website. Seems to have been there for a while too. So kudos to INZ for releasing the information as part of open Govt.
So what can these numbers tell us?
Well for starters download the Excel files, since you can play with the numbers. Thankfully someone at INZ knows how to use Excel and has created lots of pivot tables – yippee. Although they’ve not created enough graphs I think. Graphics, pictures, we need to see more coloured lines.
So, if you really want to find out how many parents, originally resident in the UK made an application for NZ residency, via the London branch in a random month anytime in the last 14 years – you can! Download R6 – Residence applications accepted for processing.
Want to know how many of those people applying got approved or declined? – Download R2 Residence decisions by month.
Of course, it may have been too simple to put all those numbers into a single spreadsheet. Still, the info is there.
So you can indeed see how many people applied from each coutry, broken down by month, and which stream, whether they were primary or secondary applicants, and whether they got accepted or not. There’s loads more statistical info buried in them thar’ numbers, so I may start coming out with interesting factoids. Personally, I’m interested to see if anyone from a ‘first world’ country managed to get into NZ via the ‘humanitarian’ stream – normally reserved for refugee’s of the non-economic variety.
Of course more really interesting stuff is buried in R8 – Residence applications on hand. INZ talk a lot about having a large workload, lots of decisions to make etc. Which they do. How much of a workload is this? Well take a look at R8, these are all the applications that people have made to come to NZ. Whether or not INZ have even started working on the application or not. One of the few graphis provided in the three noted sheets is below, ranging from July 2000 on the left through to January 2010 on the right. {you can click on the image to load it full size}
Uncapped family sponsorship (non-Kiwi family of Kiwi citizens) has grown steadly since 2000 from approx 3,000 to almost 7,000 per year.
Parent & Adult sibling capped family sponsorship applications have gone from ~4,500 to ~10,500 – with no change in the number of places made available. And anyone wonders why there’s a queue?
For a big wow!, the Business/Skilled migrant stream peaked at a queue of ~51,500 applications at the end of 2002.. Dunno what happened there, but I’m sure gonna go find out.
Stay tuned for more (possibly useless) interesting factoids.
Family Sponsorship: The 2 year wait Update.
Finally we got around to sitting down with an excel spreadsheet, calculator, enormous amounts of coffee and a chocolate bar or two and crunched some numbers on Family Sponsorship.
The problem is that people are being told there is an 18 months to 2-year wait before a case officer is assigned. INZ have even put a news item up on their website about it.
Timeframes for Family Capped Applications
Thursday, 26 November 2009
New Zealand carefully plans allocation of permanent residence places.
The Government’s annual residence programme gives priority to skilled and business migrants and the partners of returning New Zealanders. The family capped stream (which comprises parent, adult child and sibling residence cases) is currently allocated 4,950 – 5500 places per year. Demand for these places currently exceeds supply.
There is a current waiting time of 18 -24 months for a place to become available within the cap. In practice this means that an application will usually take from 18-24 months from the time of lodgement to be allocated to a case officer for assessment.
On top of the three years you have to wait before you are eligible to sponsor your parents (and then even longer if like us you have a sibling you want to sponsor) it is becoming incredibly traumatic for people.
So – we have tried to see what is going on by looking at the fortnightly stats that come out with the Skilled Migrant EOI selections. Although this has nothing to do with Family Sponsorship – at the bottom of each PDF file is a little box which gives the numbers of applications currently being looked at. The numbers cumulate over the year, and reset in July – the end of the year for Immigration purposes.
This is total and utter bollocks. The queue is simply because the staff at INZ have been told to hold back applications until they get to the head of a “queue” in applications. It has absolutely nothing to do with the number of spaces available. The number of spaces is renewed each year. Are INZ suggesting that we should go and kill a couple of NZers to free us some space for our families.???
I think I may have been wrong!
I think what I actually should have said is thati t is a piss-poor attempt at an explanation because it make no sense whatsoever. But having actually looked at the numbers – I think I know what they were trying to say – but failed miserably.
So – what do the numbers really tell us?
1. By the end of January, 2454 of the maximum 5500 spaces have been allocated.
2. This leaves 3046 spaces that can be filled by the end of June (55% of the allocation is free with 5 months to go.)
3. INZ are processing on average 224 people each fortnight. (Starting with 12.8.09 -declines + acceptances)
4. Even with this being done – the number of people in the queue is increasing by an average of 75 people every fortnight.
5. Basically this means that there are about 300 people applying, and 224 decisions being made.
6. Only one fortnight have INZ actually managed to process more applications than came in.
7. Most depressingly – despite the huge overdemand for spaces – INZ let in just 41 people over its minimum allowance for this policy last year.
8. They could have allowed an extra 509 people to join thier families last year – those spaces are gone – they do not get rolled over into the next year allocation.
Now – how can you work out when you family should (very roughly speaking) get processed and get a decision?
See the highlighted line above? My Brother is one of those 131 people that entered the queue.
1. You need to know how many people were in the queue ahead of your family. (9897)
2. Take away how many applications people have been processed since then. (People declined + people accepted = 2459)
3. Which leaves 7438 people that need to be processed before my brother.
4. Work out how many fortnights that should take if they process an average of 224 people a fortnight (33 fortnights)
5. Get a strong drink.
Basically this means that from now – all else going well – we can expect to get a decision on my brothers application in 66 weeks, or about 15 months time. And he has already been in the queue for 6 months – giving a total of 21 months for the process.
And it’s just going to get worse.
The fact is that INZ are right in saying that more people are applying than there are spaces. They just utterly screwed up the explanation and have left people dazed and scared. There are “spaces”. There’s 3046 left this year! But there are 10,000 people waiting for them, and more lining up every week. Even if no one put in an application for the next 12 months, and INZ accepted everyone in the queue – that still accounts for 2 full years worth of spaces sitting in the pile right now.
You are not actually waiting for a space to become available as such – but you do have to wait in line till INZ have decided on all the cases that went in before you. In some ways I think what INZ have done in forcing the applications to be handled in turn is making the situation fairer -it’s not then a lottery about which branch you use or which case officer works faster. I just think they need to be more honest and clear about what is happening and why. (They can pay me to write their news items for a start!).
Please note: we have no way of knowing if this is the true reflection of what is happening. Please feel free to have a go at working through the numbers – and tell me if you get a different answer. The only way to know for definite what is going on would be to have an inside track at INZ – and we don’t. Working through the publicly available info probably won’t tell us everything – but hopefully it will help some of you to see WHY the wait is so long.
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